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No Prophets?

When you spoke to me you said that guy was saying that the reason there were no 'prophets' from Jesus to 1844 was that no one was particularly interested in obeying the Lord- and when this group got together in 1844- then that caused the gift to come--

That is the biggest pile of horse feathers I every heard!!!
I hope you tell him so!
 

Stop and think!

What about the Waldenses? Their whole lives revolved around protecting, studying, writing and distributing the true Bible- (the one Doug Bachelor prefers NOT to use) Few of them lived out their lives- they died on the scaffolds, at the stakes and in dungeons- I guess that was because they were not particularly interested in obeying God - eh??
 
What about the 150 million or so martyrs that died in the inquisitions - burned, tortured- exiled- beaten - rotting away literally in dungeons? I guess they weren't particularly interested in following the Lord- HUH?
 
What about the Anabaptists- thousands of which were burned, drowned and tortured- simply for refusing to have their infant children baptized-- contrary to the Bible-- I guess they didn't care much about obeying the Lord-- Really!!
 
I have news for you also- the true prophetic gift was always present with these people- all down through the ages- But Ellen White was not a mere prophet to serve the church - she was the special messenger of the Lord - sent to prepare the way of the Lord - and to announce the fulfillment of the 2300 day prophecy and Jesus' work in the heavenly sanctuary!! The final Elijah Prophet!
 
No error is harmless - and these false ideas being put forth by SDAs have great danger to those who blindly accept them - they give people the idea that God's schedule revolves around them and they can 'cause' God - to do what they want.
Then some group gets together- thinking if they go to extremes-- it will force God to send a prophet - sure enough they get all hyped up and one of them has a dream or sees something or gets impressions and zip - there goes another off shoot!!
 
Think it through!

 

Practical Religion

It is strange how at times I most need spiritual strength and blessing, the temptation comes to me to feel that somehow these 'religious' things are not practical and I need to concentrate on solving the 'realtime' problem at hand. But I find if I instead turn to the promises of God and look into the merciful and all sufficiency of my Saviour--it is the most practical thing one can find in this confusing world. And when focused on Him, somehow the 'realtime' problems seem to no longer have power to distress and fret me. Dead people don't get frustrated and when I am dead to self, and Jesus is alive in me--He handles all the problems and leads me through the mazes and snares that are strewn in my path.
  
"God would not have us remain pressed down by dumb sorrow, with sore and breaking hearts. He would have us look up and behold His dear face of love. The blessed Saviour stands by many whose eyes are so blinded by tears that they do not discern Him. He longs to clasp our hands, to have us look to Him in simple faith, permitting Him to guide us. His heart is open to our griefs, our sorrows, and our trials. He has loved us with an everlasting love and with loving-kindness compassed us about. We may keep the heart stayed upon Him and meditate upon His loving-kindness all the day. He will lift the soul above the daily sorrow and perplexity, into a realm of peace."  {MB 12.2}
 
"The independence and self-supremacy in which we glory are seen in their true vileness as tokens of servitude to Satan. Human nature is ever struggling for expression, ready for contest; but he who learns of Christ is emptied of self, of pride, of love of supremacy, and there is silence in the soul. Self is yielded to the disposal of the Holy Spirit. Then we are not anxious to have the highest place. We have no ambition to crowd and elbow ourselves into notice; but we feel that our highest place is at the feet of our Saviour. We look to Jesus, waiting for His hand to lead, listening for His voice to guide. The apostle Paul had this experience, and he said, "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave Himself for me." Galatians 2:20.       When we receive Christ as an abiding guest in the soul, the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, will keep our hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. The Saviour's life on earth, though lived in the midst of conflict, was a life of peace. While angry enemies were constantly pursuing Him, He said, "He that sent Me is with Me: the Father hath not left Me alone; for I do always those things that please Him." John 8:29. No storm of human or satanic wrath could disturb the calm of that perfect communion with God. And He says to us, "Peace I leave with you, My peace I give unto you." {MB 15.1}
 
This is truly what I want the most- the 'silence of the soul!'

 

Paulsen's Alma Mater

(Shared by a reader)

Will this wake anyone up?….
just read on…..
 
What does Pope Benedict XVI, Cardinal Walter Kaspar,  President of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity; Dr. Hans Kung, a prolific Roman Catholic scholar who served as an expert theological advisor to members of the Second Vatican Council; and Dr. Jan Paulsen, President of the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventist have in common? 
 
The UNIVERSITY OF TUBINGEN in Germany!
 
 
"The University of Tübingen has a history of innovative thought, particularly in theology, in which the university and the Tubinger Stiff  are famous to this day. Philipp Melanchthon (1497-1560) the prime mover in building the German school system and a chief figure in the Protestant Reformation, helped establish its direction. Among Tübingen's eminent students (and/or professors) have been the astronomer Johannes Kepler;   JOSEPH RATZINGER,  former Cardinal and currently Pope Benedict XVI. ….."
 
FAMOUS ALUMNI:  
http://www.answers.com/topic/eberhard-karls-university-of-t-bingen
Theology
· Karl Barth, Swiss Christian theologian
· Dietric Bonhoeffer,  Lutheran theologian, preacher and opponent of the Nazi-Regime.
· Walter Cardinal Kasper, Cardinal of the Roman Catholic Church.
· Hans Kung,  Roman Catholic theologican, critic of the catholic doctrine (now banned from teaching Roman Catholic theology).
· His Holiness  Pope Benedict XVI, formerly known as Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger.
· Philip Schaff, Church historian.
· Miroslav Volf, Christian theologian at Yale University.
· Jan Paulsen, Seventh-day Adventist Church President!
Paulsen is also the first Adventist Church world president to hold a doctorate degree, which he obtained from the University of Tubingen. 
 
The following is taken from the Pope’s biography:
 
 
"After this I accepted a position at the University of Tübingen, with the idea of being closer to the ‘school of Tübingen’, which did theology in a historical and ecumenical way. In 1968 there was a very violent explosion of Marxist theology , and so when I was offered a position at the new University of Regensburg…."
 
Can you believe this?   The future pope leaves Tubingen for another university because of the Marxist theology! [actually they are all the same philosophy, just tricking us]  More from another biography about him:
 
 
1966 Ratzinger takes a second chair in dogmatic theology at the University of Tübingen. His appointment is vigorously supported and secured by fellow professor Hans Küng. …..
1968 A wave of student uprisings sweeps across Europe, and Marxism quickly becomes the dominant intellectual system at Tübingen, indoctrinating not only his students but many of the faculty as well. Witnessing the subordination of religion to Marxist political ideology, Ratzinger observes:
There was an instrumentalization by ideologies that were tyrannical, brutal, and cruel. That experience made it clear to me that the abuse of faith had to be resisted precisely if one wanted to uphold the will of the Council [Salt of the Earth].
1969 Scandalized by his encounter with radical ideology at Tübingen, Ratzinger moves back to Bavaria to take a teaching position at the University of Regensburg. He eventually becomes dean and vice president and later, theological advisor to the German bishops.
 
JAN PAULSEN:  From the General Conference web page:
http://www.gcsession.org/media-kit/pdf/jan_paulsen_bio.pdf
 
EDUCATION:
After completing his early education in Narvik, Norway, Paulsen attended the Danish Junior College, Vejlefjord, where he received ministerial training between 1952-1954. In 1957 he earned a BA at Emmanuel Missionary College, now Andrews University. After completing his MA studies at the Theological Seminary in Washington, D.C. in 1958, he earned a Bachelor of Divinity in 1962 from the Seventh-day Adventist Theological Seminary, newly relocated at Andrews University. In June, 1972, Paulsen completed his graduate studies at the Tubingen University in Germany. He was the first Adventist to earn a Doctor in Theology from the Protestant faculty of any German university. His dissertation research was illustrative of how historic Christianity settles into a primal religion culture.
[you notice how they stress PROTESTANTWell, that is a white lie [no pun intended].
 
"Tubingen University was founded in 1477 by Duke Eberhard as Reformation seminary to train Protestant ministers during the Reformation.  Malanchthon, the German Reformer who did much to help the cause of the Protestant Reformation, received his M.A. from Tubingen University in 1512.  Unfortunately, by 1817, Tubingen added a Roman Catholic faculty to the school and this resulted in the unfolding of Protestantism!  Consequently, Tubingen University became one of the first religious seminaries to teach Ecumenical Theology." And, according to the new Pope, it was also teaching Marxism Theology by 1968!  
 
Now, why in the world does Jan Paulson attend Tubingen?  It is steeped in Marxist theology, and that is from the pope’s own mouth!   Was Walter Kaspar one of his professors?  What about Dr. Hans Kung?
 
The following is from the web site: 
http://www.un.org/Dialogue/Kung.html
 
Professor Dr. Hans Küng (Switzerland)
Professor of Ecumenical Theology, University of Tübingen, President of the Foundation for a Global Ethic (Welethos).
Dr. Hans Küng is a scholar of theology and philosophy and prolific writer. He studied philosophy and theology at the Gregorian University (Rome) [I wonder if Bacchiochi was one of his classmates!], the Sorbonne, and the Institut Catholique de Paris. In addition, Dr. Küng holds numerous awards and honorary degrees from several universities.
Dr. Küng is President of the Foundation for a Global Ethic (Weltethos). From 1960 until his retirement in 1996, he was Professor of Ecumenical Theology and Director of the Institute for Ecumenical Research at the University of Tübingen. Folks, that is the time period when Paulsen attended, 1972. 

Another alumni of Tubingen:
 http://www.fiu.edu/~mirandas/bios-k.htm
 
Cardinal Walter Kasper became a member of the theological faculty of Tubingen in 1958. He is now Secretary of the Pontifical Council for the Promotion of Christian Unity.  His job is to coordinate all the ecumenical activities for the Roman Catholic Church
 
HELLO OUT THERE!
Samuele Bacchiocchi is the first Adventist to graduate from the Jesuit  Pontifical Gregorian University and Paulsen is the first Adventist to graduate from Tubingen.  Here is a description of Bacchiochi’s alma mater:
 
"The Gregorian University (formerly the Collegio Romano) was created in 1551 by Saint Ignatius of Loyola, founder of the Jesuits. It is the first school established by the Jesuits in Rome. Among the illustrious ex-alumni there are 14 popes." 

 Wonder how many other Jesuit trained SDA theologians we have running around, ones that are not so bold to let us know where they were trained?  Actually these two men were probably trained beforehand, just went here to polish their theology, so they could be invited into higher Adventist circles.   Don't be surprised if the SDA Church organization tries to get us 'simple' Adventists to accept the Sunday Law.   

(Temcat's note) Gregorianna: Continuing the topic of Bacchiocchi and his Alma Mater: 

Even if he was a solid rock SDA - would it not have been presumption to attend the flag-ship Jesuit university?- the greatest one in the world?— the one established originally to destroy Protestantism??

Would it not be presumption of the rankest sort to say, "Oh, I won't be deceived; I can stick my head into the lion's very mouth; I can breath the sulphurous fumes of the Dragon's very breath; and I am so strong in the faith, I will not be effected!!" This quote answers the whole idea:

     "I was shown the necessity of those who believe that we are having the last message of mercy, being separate from those who are daily imbibing new errors. I saw that neither young nor old should attend their meetings; for it is wrong to thus encourage them while they teach error that is a deadly poison to the soul and teach for doctrines the commandments of men. The influence of such gatherings is not good. If God has delivered us from such darkness and error, we should stand fast in the liberty wherewith He has set us free and rejoice in the truth. God is displeased with us when we go to listen to error, without being obliged to go; for unless He sends us to those meetings where error is forced home to the people by the power of the will, He will not keep us. The angels cease their watchful care over us, and we are left to the buffetings of the enemy, to be darkened and weakened by him and the power of his evil angels; and the light around us becomes contaminated with the darkness." -TI- Early Writings of Ellen G. White  -PG- 124 

And then he is not repentant for this - he has been known to appear before SDA congregations sporting his full Jesuit robes - and then whines that some people say he is a Jesuit! Well...duhh! If one is TRULY walking in the faith of our forefathers - one would be ashamed of such stuff! A true lover of God's pure truth and a respecter of the millions of tortured martyrs for Jesus who's moans and cries still echo in the ears of the Lord of Sabbaoth; would not be caught dead showing off these vile robes!

Even if he went in a saint--and a saint wouldn't go there; there's no way he could not be contaminated!

Fools walk where even angels would fear to tread: and cannot this be said also for those who dote on his words??

temcat

 Predestination

Question: I need information on predestination. We've had a discussion on Exodus 7:3-5, Ex 20:5, Judas and others where seemingly someone had to be destined to do evil no matter what.

Temcat: We are in this world to help each other- that is God's plan--that we each study for ourselves and stand alone with God on decisions BUT that we share with one another and help on information and sharing our experiences etc.

The Predestination thing is based on a misunderstanding of God. God has pre-knowledge but that does not in any way force anyone to be 'born to be lost'. Jesus did everything and gave every opportunity to Judas to help him to overcome the greed and selfishness of his heart--like Satan, many times Judas 'almost surrendered but PRIDE forbade him'. When he went out that night he himself had made the final decision.

Basically God has declared there will be 2 classes-- Those that serve Him and those that ultimately and irrevocably refuse to serve Him. The FINAL DESTINY of those 2 classes is predestined. The group who turn from rebellion and serve God will be saved; the group who persistently refuse and continue in rebellion will be destroyed. BUT and here is the big point! EACH PERSON makes the choice which group he will be in. No one is forced to be in the
lost group and no one is forced to be in the saved group. Our decisions decide the group we end up in.

God at no point or in no way ever points to a certain person and says arbitrarily, "OK John Jones! I don't like you and I don't care what you do or how much you plead with me to save you, you are going to HELL!" Never, Never does our loving Father reject any person, no matter how unpromising, who chooses to cease his rebellion and surrenders to serve Him. Jesus says:  John 6:37 ". . .him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." Also the Holy Spirit strives to woo every single soul that is ever born on this earth:
 John 1:9 "That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world."
I am going to try and give a list of items that can contribute to this question:
http://www.sdadefend.com/MINDEX-G.htm
go to this page and get the 3 articles about the people who are trying to
teach now that God does NOT have pre-knowledge. These article will have
information in them that help understand the predestination error.
____God, ignorance of error: WM-1056 THE OPENNESS HERESY Dec 01
____God, ignorance of error: WM-1057 THE INFINITE WISDOM OF GOD Dec 01
____God, ignorance of error: WM-1058 GOD KNOWS THE FUTURE Dec 01
Then go here:
http://www.sdadefend.com/MINDEX-P-Q.htm
and get
____Predestination: WM-1259 HOW MANY PEOPLE DOES GOD HAVE TO SAVE? Feb 05 Index: Predestination
Also in the Library-I just put the e-book of 'Defending the Godhead'- that
is a good reference. http://www.sdadefend.com/MINDEX-Resource%20Library.htm
it is right on top.

These items will at least get you started into understanding and explaining this error.
Another thing that is good is to look up in Patriarchs and Prophets the section about Pharaoh "Hardening his heart". It explains very well that though in places the Bible states that God hardened Pharaoh's heart- and in other places says that Pharaoh hardened his own heart- either way, it was Pharaoh that MADE THE DECISION to reject truth and harden his heart against
it.


 

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